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Chud Wed 30 Aug 2023 07:02:39 No.947 View View Original Report

This is a thread for general discussion of the paranormal/occult. This means discussion of

>paranormal experiences
>fringe/"forbidden" knowledge
>methods for inducing paranormal/occult experiences
>discussion of occult works
and anything else the words "paranormal" and "occult" entail.
You're also free to talk about your drug trips if you believe they have some occult meaning, but don't let it clog up the whole thread.
The ulterior purpose of this thread is to encourage growth of individual generals for more specialized discussion.

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Chud Wed 30 Aug 2023 07:14:37 No.948 Report

Quoted By: >>1226

I'll start. Recently, I've been experiencing sleep paralysis far more often than before. As of late, I've been encountering entities during these episodes. The most memorable of these entities was a glowing orb floating near my bed. As it approached me, it revealed its true form as a spider, before disappearing into the corners of my peripheral vision.
What is most interesting to me, is that my sleep paralysis episodes always end with my eyes open. When this happens, it's as if my brain is tuning down toward a lower frequency. My eyes defocus, and I start seeing at a lower "resolution". It's very interesting to me, since while I've seen many hypotheses regarding the nature of sleep paralysis, I have hardly heard of a sleep paralysis episode similar to mine.
Thoughts?

Chud Wed 30 Aug 2023 08:42:43 No.949 Report

>>931

Chud Thu 31 Aug 2023 01:58:50 No.961 Report

Quoted By: >>963

When I was 10 years old, a small, ethereal bearded man teleported onto my bed. He was there for a good 8 seconds and we looked each other in the eye. He looked like a CG animated character, but in real life.

Chud Thu 31 Aug 2023 04:18:59 No.963 Report

Quoted By: >>980

>>961
Funny, my family often talked about seeing gremlins around nighttime.
What was the man wearing?
Could've easily been an elf or gnome.
I don't doubt what you're saying. My own experiences viewing spirits looked "beyond real", like something out of a cartoon or show. I used to see bundles of spiders writhing on the bars of my bunk bed when I was younger. As I broke out of my terrified state, the spiders disappeared, and even if I tried to follow them through the bed, there was nothing. They looked animated, like the fuzzies from a mario game but more scratchy and scary.

Chud Thu 31 Aug 2023 07:00:57 No.966 Report

Quoted By: >>968 >>969 >>971

Occultism is worship of demons, all paranormal activity can be traced back to demons. Don't try to figure out magic, you will surely be damned to hell if you are a magician (and you don't repent.) Just worship the one god that created you.

Chud Thu 31 Aug 2023 07:50:32 No.968 Report

Quoted By: >>969 >>985

>>966
according to official Church doctrine magic/sorcery/witchcrat doesn't exist, "magic" is probably either just hoaxes or demon activity

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Chud Thu 31 Aug 2023 09:08:32 No.969 Report

>>966
>>968
TSMT!

Chud Thu 31 Aug 2023 09:38:00 No.971 Report

Quoted By: >>985

>>966
What an ignorant and regressive way to view the world. Mind telling me how you came to these conclusions?

Chud Thu 31 Aug 2023 15:24:03 No.980 Report

>>963
He was wearing simple blue clothes>>963

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Chud Thu 31 Aug 2023 15:28:07 No.981 Report

>Don't try to figure out magic, you will surely be damned to hell if you are a magician

Chud Thu 31 Aug 2023 15:38:51 No.985 Report

Quoted By: >>986

>>968
Magic and demon activity are one in the same. Magicians worship devils, and the devils then do things to assist them.
Basically
magic =/= mystical force
magic = satanic worship
>>971
We are meant to worship one god, it's an innate desire for man to worship something. Be it, demons, politicians, aliens, their own desires, etc. As well, I've got this from the Quran. They plainly state the the "invisible world," is parallel to the visible one. And that djinn reside in the invisible world, They are just creations of god, and they can't really do much besides whispering and possession. They hate humanity, due to the fact god prefers humanity over the djinn. So they want humans to fall into idolatry.

Chud Thu 31 Aug 2023 15:51:58 No.986 Report

Quoted By: >>987

>>985
So you are only able to view higher or lower vibrational beings in the vain lens of a book you read?
Not to mention that magicians don't worship devils, at least, not the smart ones. They use spirits, be they good or bad for their own gain. In fact, in old magickal literature, it was greatly stressed to only make dealings with spirits of a high nature, and to never sign over anything, to be the one forcing them to sign your contract.

Of course, actual magick can take place without the need of spirits at all, depending on your view of the meaning itself.

Chud Thu 31 Aug 2023 15:59:46 No.987 Report

Quoted By: >>1000

>>986
The book I've read is the word of god.
Secondly, the "good" or "neutral" spirits are Satans disguising themselves, with thoe "deals" being how you go into idolatry.
It would be better then to just worship god, and only god. Without dealing with any spirits, for god is omnipotent and merciful. Instead of dealing with "spirits," who will lie to you and make worship them.

Chud Thu 31 Aug 2023 23:24:20 No.1000 Report

Quoted By: >>1023

>>987
The word of god, on pages written by humans.
You sure are naive.

Chud Fri 01 Sep 2023 20:30:32 No.1023 Report

Quoted By: >>1025

>>1000
Well for one, the prophet muhammed (saw) was illiterate. He wasn't exposed to jews in his youth, and the bible wasn't translated into arabic. The quran itself was revealed bit by bit, allowing for the Muslims to memorize every verse (muslims recite the verses of the quran during prayer.) As well, the Quran was a literary miracle, so great that it spawned a new school of literature. Words like the surah, or ajet were foreign to the Arab, yet they knew the meaning instantly.
As well, it would only be logical to worship a single god. Instead of dealing with spirits, for god is omnipotent and he can do anything, and who is the most merciful. For if he wasn't merciful, he would have obliterate everything that transgressed against him. Or would you rather just talk to spirits who might or might not be lying to you? After all, the torah, bible, quran all recognize magic as evil.

Chud Fri 01 Sep 2023 21:13:57 No.1025 Report

Quoted By: >>1026 >>1029

>>1023
Have you ever held a conversation with Allah?
Have you actually experienced or witnessed Allah do anything that would be considered godlike? Anything that'd definitively prove his omnipotence?
The entire basis of all modern religions, especially Christianity and Islam, lie in ignorance. Most people have never experienced spiritual phenomena that'd point them anywhere near the direction of religion. YOU have never experienced the true breadth of the higher planes, yet you speak as if you know God himself. As if you know everything about the nature of the spiritual world.
If you think a "literary miracle" is all it takes to confirm your narrow depiction of God, then you are still very, very naive.

Chud Fri 01 Sep 2023 21:55:22 No.1026 Report

Quoted By: >>1028

>>1025
Every time a Muslim does prayer, he is speaking directly to his Lord.
It's stated that god has nothing in common with his creation, for everything he has created is in pairs. While he is alone, truly unique. And the one time god revealed himself to Moses, he did it on a far away mountain causing it to COLLAPSE instantly. But no, I have not witnessed my Lord. For we will only see him at judgment day. The proof of God's omnipotence is blatant, look at the world around you. Everything is made with a specific purpose, if chemistry was slightly different we wouldn't exist, if physics was slightly different we wouldn't exist. After all, what is the creation to the creator?
If you want more proof, in the Quran. At the time of Abraham and Joseph, when they meet the rulers of Egypt, the rulers in question, were referred to as Kings. Due to the fact they were born before the New kingdom era. Whilst during Moses' story, the pharaoh is exclusively called the pharaoh. In fact Muslim figured out who the pharaoh against Moses was. Due to the fact he ruled for about 80 years, they figured out it could only be Ramsees the II. Which had his corpse preserved, just like how the Quran states (surah 10:92.) I will just remind you, they did not know anything about Egyptians. For only recently have we even uncovered the Ancient Egyptian script. Another proof of the Quran, is the prediction on the Roman's victory against Persia (https://quran.com/surah/ar-rum/info) At the time of the prophet, the Romans were EXTREMELY weak. They lost tremendously to the persians, and were being invaded by barbarians. I would add more, but my memory is a bit hazy (their might have been a plague.)
As well, what's your definition of god.

Chud Fri 01 Sep 2023 22:23:54 No.1028 Report

Quoted By: >>1031

>>1026
What makes you think this is the sole existence?
Again, you claim everything is perfect for our existence, without questioning why we are alone in our universe. Your claims of a "god" could easily be chalked up to far more intelligent life-forms intervening to create us. In fact, it'd be far simpler to believe that we were seeded on Earth, rather than deliberately created.
This also is in-line with the "perfect" nature of our reality. No truly omnipotent god would ever have the mind of a human. We certainly do hold a divine nature, but to be so arrogant as to believe human texts can describe the true breadth of God is stupid. Someone omnipotent doesn't have prophets. He doesn't get upset when Eve eats the apple. Someone who is all couldn't hold a single thread of consciousness, he'd hold an infinite consciousness that extends outward eternally in all directions. A level of thought so grand and inhuman that to even assert that he could hold such lowly human, physical ideas is stupid.
God, to me, is a force of nature from whom we were emanated from. Life was likely seeded on Earth from intelligent beings that emanated from him before us. Our very souls are merely emanations of his consciousness too, rather than deliberately created.
You mention specific things, like knowledge in the Qu'ran that was unique, and couldn't have been found any other way but "from the divine".
Yet there have been countless cases of people throughout history coming to knowledge of things without any possible way to know, be it through cases of remembering past lives, clairvoyance, or any other set of psychic phenomena, not born of dealings with spirits.
It's well known that spirits and beings can lie and change form to deceive others, in fact, how are you certain even Gabriel wasn't a "djinn"? How do you know Muhammad wasn't deceived by a powerful spirit capable of discovering these things?
Even more, what is truly godlike is something far beyond even mere "creation", since all acts of creation in this world, even by miracles, have been shown to be merely transmutation.

Chud Fri 01 Sep 2023 22:24:09 No.1029 Report

Quoted By: >>1030

>>1025
Thought I'd chip in, there are many reasons to beleive in Islam, let it be it's lack of contradictions to its miracles or to it's scientific knowledge within it way before humans discovery, example; Quran 96:15-16 (frontal Lobe) Quran 51:47 (Expansion of the Universe) Quran 21:33 (Sun moving in orbit) Quran 24:40 (Internal waves in the Oceans) Quran 23:12-14 (embryology)Quran 4:56 (Pain receptors) Quran 55:19-20 (the meeting of the seas) Quran 78:6-7 (mountains as stakes) Quran 21:32 (The sky's Protection)Quran 21:30 (the big crunch theory) Quran 21:30 (the big bang theory) Quran 21:30 (Discovery that every living things made up of water) Quran 57:25 iron within meteorites. Q10:5 Quran, (Sun shining on moon) Surah Taha (Male and female Plants) Sahih muslim 1007 (360 joints)
Now for the last one I've seen some people say a Chinese man knew this long before the quran did, however he thought that there where 365 joints, not 360 as he thought they resembled the 365 days in a year.

Chud Fri 01 Sep 2023 22:34:57 No.1030 Report

>>1029
These are all superficial reasons for believing in Islam.
Nikola Tesla, and countless other scientists, assert that their knowledge and schematics came from a place not of God, but where all knowledge resides.
Separate, yet similar to this idea, is the existence of the Akashic Records. This being, a plane in which everything, from the beginning to the end of creation, has been recorded. It is well known that people on Earth have accessed these records, and obtained intimate information about the world that they otherwise couldn't have.
The very nature of our existence lies in the physical and spiritual, so to say that one man's advanced knowledge proves your very specific interpretation of God, and of the universe, is stupid, when people throughout history have always obtained supernormal faculties that have allowed them advance knowledge and ulterior capabilities beyond the "normal".

Chud Fri 01 Sep 2023 22:36:07 No.1031 Report

Quoted By: >>1032

>>1028
"All praise is for Allah—Lord of all worlds.”

(Holy Qur’an 1:2)
" All worlds " would mean theres more life within space.
The reason Allah created prophets is to see who would beleive in him and who wouldn't, as Life, is a test
(He is the One˺ Who created death and life in order to test which of you is best in deeds. And He is the Almighty, All-Forgiving.)
He couldn't show himself as then everyone would simply beleive in him, leaving no point to the test. And As he had shown moses a tiny part of him an entire mountain collapsed seeing his beauty, and Moses fainted. Allah is most merciful, most kind. Which is why he cares about us, though be he is all wise.
We can know Gabriel isn't a djinn as djinns aren't all-knowing. So they couldn't know all of the miracles, and we are incapable of seeing them. They can come in few forms: snake, lizard, scorpion and sometimes ugly men. Angels aren't one of these.

Chud Fri 01 Sep 2023 22:43:29 No.1032 Report

Quoted By: >>1047

>>1031
You have never spoken to Allah, yet you blindly believe the words of a man who could have easily been deceived, or worse, was deliberately lying.
Your religion conveniently disallows everyone from seeing Allah, only those who are lucky or believe.
That luck is shown in the way your religion "proves" the existence of Allah through special knowledge and miracles, which could also be replicated by independent miracle-workers and psychics.
How do you know Gabriel was all-knowing?
What are all of the miracles?
How are we incapable of seeing them? Muhammad saw Gabriel, could he see those too?
What of spirits that people have seen, that look like angels, and not djinn?
Countless people have had interactions with higher-vibrational entities, AKA "angels", in the past. Are they merely djinn too?
You mention Djinn, but across the world religions have mentioned the existence of spirits, and of those spirits they have taken countless forms other than those mere few you mention.

Chud Sat 02 Sep 2023 01:08:57 No.1047 Report

Quoted By: >>1057 >>1058

>>1032
>how do we know the Quran is from Allah and not from djinn or Satan?
a religion not sent from God wouldn't discourage sin and make one of its five pillars to donate to the poor, it wouldn't command you to pray 5 times a day to God and despise Satan. The quran even says; (Quran 11:13) … “ Then produce ten suras like these, fabricated, and invite whomever you can, other than GOD, if you are truthful.”
(Quran 11.14) If they fail to meet your challenge, then know that this is revealed with God's knowledge and that there is no god except He. Will you then submit?

Allah is most wise, and most merciful

Chud Sat 02 Sep 2023 09:28:35 No.1057 Report

Quoted By: >>1059

>>1047
>a religion not sent from God wouldn't discourage sin and make one of its five pillars to donate to the poor
If a pagan converts a muslim to a pagan religion that teaches the same morals, would that make the pagan religion true? It's not only about the morals, but also the faith in the true God.
>it wouldn't command you to pray 5 times a day to God
If the Quran is from satan, then it's god would be false.
>and despise Satan
The important thing for demons is not following them specifically, but rather turning away from God, so if you reject the true God but also hate them, the latter doesn't matter much, unless it makes you better.

Chud Sat 02 Sep 2023 10:00:45 No.1058 Report

Quoted By: >>1059

>>1047
Those words could easily be lies. If the Qu'ran was written by Satan, he wouldn't care if you despised him, only if you didn't worship the true god.
That is, even if Satan exists. You clearly don't know, since your entire worldview is born from a single shaky book.

Chud Sat 02 Sep 2023 11:36:58 No.1059 Report

Quoted By: >>1060

>>1057
Well for one, how would a world with multiple gods even work? If they are all omnipotent, they would fight each other when they disagree resulting in our death. If they aren't omnipotent, they are limited and thus aren't gods.
You talk about how if the Quran was from satan, it would be false. And yet when you look at satanic groups and compare them to Muslims, they are radically different. Muslims don't follow their desires, rather they follow the quran and the sunnah of the prophet. Whilst every satanist I have seen, without exception, just follow their desires.
>>1058
How can those words be lies, when it's the same message that Abraham preached, Moses preached, Solomon preached and etc. As well, if Muhammed did lie God would surely punish him (69:44-46.) You also haven't given me the definition of the true god. Muslims believe that allah (The god in english.) Has no characteristics of his creation, he is eternal, truly unique, omnipotent and much more. You may read the names of allah https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Names_of_God_in_Islam. And jut because there are 99 names, doesn't mean he only has 99, there are many more names not revealed to us.

Chud Sat 02 Sep 2023 13:46:04 No.1060 Report

Quoted By: >>1061

>>1059
>Well for one, how would a world with multiple gods even work?
I never claimed there are multiple. False gods are demons.
>And yet when you look at satanic groups and compare them to Muslims, they are radically different. Muslims don't follow their desires, rather they follow the quran and the sunnah of the prophet. Whilst every satanist I have seen, without exception, just follow their desires.
The important thing for satan is not worshipping him specificaly, but rather turning away from the true God. Of course, they would prefer it if you become immoral to damage you soul even more and the Quran does teach some good morals, but turning away from the true God is still a win for them.

Chud Sat 02 Sep 2023 14:17:56 No.1061 Report

>>1060
Dude, the entire point of Islam is the worship of one god. Allah literally means THE GOD, you believe the same thing as a Muslim. I'd recommend you read the Quran.

Chud Sun 03 Sep 2023 07:06:35 No.1084 Report

Islam is truth.

Chud Sat 09 Sep 2023 12:21:00 No.1172 Report

Quoted By: >>1175 >>1176

Why do those of other religions have to force their way into threads that they don't belong to?
You aren't sharing esoteric knowledge. You aren't regaling tales of the paranormal. You're imposing your religious values, which are not on-topic.
Honestly, the mods here seem to be just as incompetent as the ones on 4cuck.

Chud Sat 09 Sep 2023 19:54:51 No.1175 Report

Quoted By: >>1233

>>1172
I'm warning you because I was into the occult. Every group obsessed with "initiation" is a cult, not in the ancient greek sense, but in the modern context. Initiation itself varies from becoming the cult leaders number 1 fanboy, to vile and demonic possession. As well, every "magician" I've encountered, from larper to actual satanist. Are horrible people, the one magician I know for a fact is 100% legit, is a drug dealer. He also told me you had to goon to BLACKED for several days if you wanted to get "initiated." While the larpers were supportive of pedophiles.
There is a reason why judaism, christianity and Islam denounce magic. It's clearly satanic. And the spirits, will just take advantage of you. Step by step, until you commit murder, incest or god forbid rape children.

Chud Sat 09 Sep 2023 21:45:22 No.1176 Report

Quoted By: >>1233

>>1172
Masonic (crypto judaic club for golem gentiles), gnostic and kabbalistic kike shit will never be esoteric because of how shilled they are on social media and imageboards.
I recognize the mega from 4/x/ which is pure shills and glowniggers all revolving around the exact same jewish mysticism derived garbage 24/7. Ape of Thoth made the mega and he's a literal fed that patrols the general 24/7 with the exception of weekends he is literally hired and paid to do this. Go shill your garbage on cuck/x/

Chud Sun 10 Sep 2023 06:08:00 No.1181 Report

Quoted By: >>1204

This Is why why ignore mudslimes and christcucks who derail the conversation.

Chud Sun 10 Sep 2023 22:16:49 No.1204 Report

Quoted By: >>1233

>>1181
>get called out as ultimately rooted from kabbalistic kike-shit shilled on imageboards and Jewtube
>try to deflect by labeling all opposition as muh CHRISTCUCKS or MUDSLIMES
This is the same d&c tactic you spam everywhere. Update your braidsead script that only the underaged and retarded fall for.

Chud Tue 12 Sep 2023 02:52:18 No.1226 Report

Quoted By: >>1234

>>948
I've seen the orb, white in color, but it's never turned into anything else, and I've had it end sleep paralysis before. Once it threw a friend of mine against the wall in one of his episodes.

Chud Tue 12 Sep 2023 20:24:44 No.1233 Report

Quoted By: >>1238

>>1175
The occult doesn't refer to any kind of "cult", all modern religions are cults or refer to cults anyway. This is a fact.
Most original texts referring to magick emphasized Christian values and only focused on speaking with entities of a higher nature, and magick was only to be done for the maturation of one's spirit, rather than for worldly gain. Contrasting this, is the history of miracles in Islam, where only certain sects decried miracle workers.
Of course, everything is what you make of it, and to decry something as "satanic" (christian buzzword) is stupid, as one person will watch BLACKED to gain initiation, another will meditate on oneness with the universe or God.
>>1176
It isn't true esoterica, but it can lead to paranormal experiences, which is the primary purpose of this thread.
>>1204
This thread had next to nothing to do with the MEGA, it's only there for people who want a cursory glance at esoterica. It's called /pdg/ for god's sakes, I just wanted some discussion of the paranormal, but I see such a topic on the fucking paranormal board is too much to ask for.
I guess moderators would rather entertain garbage conversation and allow any random idiot to derail conversations instead.
I don't hate Christians nor Muslims, but in the context of this thread, they have been the primary people (real or shills pretending to be them) derailing the conversation. It's hard to have a conversation about the paranormal when some mouth breather calls it all satanic.

Chud Tue 12 Sep 2023 20:26:44 No.1234 Report

>>1226
Interesting. During my sleep paralysis episodes, I've been able to move my etheric body around, but not my physical or astral body. I've never even considered trying to interact with spirits, since I've only seen an orb once. I believe spirits can change forms, so an "orb" is one of the more common forms that spirits will choose. Hence why it turned into a spider for me, since it was a natural spirit, but for you, it could have likely been an astral projector, since I've read in many books on the subject that astral projectors naturally look like flying white orbs. Throwing one against the wall is insane, I've never heard of anything like that before.

Chud Wed 13 Sep 2023 00:01:00 No.1238 Report

Quoted By: >>1241

>>1233
t. 4cuck kabbalah gnostic freemasonic shill
Take Ape of Thoths glownigger Mega elsewhere

Chud Wed 13 Sep 2023 01:20:16 No.1241 Report

>>1238
I never mentioned anything relating to gnosticism, freemasonry, nor kabbalic work in this thread. Merely hosting a repository for knowledge and information isn't in itself a bad thing.
If you hate it so much, wouldn't it make sense to educate people on the ins and outs of these organizations so that they could be subverted?
My real question is why posts like yours, which only encourage a lower quality of dialogue, are tolerated on this site.

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