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Chud ID:hP6YgsUL Sat 31 Oct 2026 02:28:13 No.4286286

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If only the fucking government would stop regulating the giant Jewish corporations. Fucking statists, man.

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Chud ID:XrBhDkAO Sat 31 Oct 2026 02:29:53 No.4286293

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Chud ID:G0Xnwc8y Sat 31 Oct 2026 02:31:28 No.4286298

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>>4286293
Those guys should unionize.

Chud ID:K!IbSQmZ Sat 31 Oct 2026 02:32:23 No.4286303

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not to be inflammatory but i am genuinely curious, what is the wp rothbardian approach to achieving racial harmony/homogeneity? the common argument amongst the natsocs i meet is that libertarianism is entirely incapable of achieving this, thus providing another reason for the state to remain

Chud ID:XrBhDkAO Sat 31 Oct 2026 02:33:11 No.4286305

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>>4286298
tfw that's actually a NAP violation against the poor jewish mine owner so xhey hires based and freemarketpilled pinkertons to disperse those commie pinkos

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Chud ID:G0Xnwc8y Sat 31 Oct 2026 02:42:57 No.4286338

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>>4286303
>thus providing another reason for the state to remain
I part ways from Rothbard in his abolitionism. I view nation-states as an illegitimate and unethical organizations, but they're not going away anytime soon and perhaps they never will. My views on ethnic nationalism draws a lot from the Nouvelle Droite concept of ethnopluralism. The basest unit is the individual, whose ancestry and identity can be connected to a series of historic tribes, tribes which made up historic nations, nations which occupied a near continental landmass and characterized by a level of genetic similarity to distinguish them as a race. Movement between nation-states should be a popularly regulated issue. I suggest the private formation of a self-regulated tribal institutions, think Scottish clans or the legally recognizes flavors of Indigent in North America. These institutions can serve as authenticators of a person's claimed tribal identity through a series of tests like genetics and cultural history examinations.

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Chud ID:G0Xnwc8y Sat 31 Oct 2026 02:46:15 No.4286351

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>>4286305
Peacefully striking doesn't violate the Non-Aggression Axiom. In fact, Rothbard labeled the breakup of peaceful strikes as de facto slavery. He made a pointed example of "pro-worker" New Dealer president Harry Truman calling on the national guard to threaten striking coal miners at gunpoint to get back to work.

Chud ID:K!IbSQmZ Sat 31 Oct 2026 02:58:30 No.4286384

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>>4286338
perhaps we will never truly see eye to eye regarding how a race must organize itself but i do generally concur with your notion of ethnopluralism and the individual; in Gewerkschaften, DAF und der Wert der Arbeit, Gottfried Feder said essentially the same thing: "I establish the concept of the individual in the following way; the totality of people, considered individually, who makes up the nation, characterized through three other concepts… productive worker, creative worker, and parasitic individual."
>>4286351
I tend to think that labor unions are merely the social democratic core, organizations designed to perpetuate the myth of class which embeds within the individual a false and divergent conscience that runs contrary to the national or racial interest. Pro-worker is also pro-employer. Though, I do agree that Harry Truman operated in a coercive and counter-productive manner.

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Chud ID:G0Xnwc8y Sat 31 Oct 2026 03:06:59 No.4286402

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>>4286384
Human beings are both individuals and social creatures, ones with multiple affiliations and loyalties. Workers and capital owners and managers do have primarily shared interests, but points of tension also do exist. I think systematically denying an organic, peaceful dialectic between the two parties is both unjust and harmful in the long run for the organization and society at large.

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Chud ID:nO5BMyoZ Sat 31 Oct 2026 03:11:11 No.4286413

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you cant blame da jooooooz for all your problems. sometimes it actually is your fault

Chud ID:K!IbSQmZ Sat 31 Oct 2026 03:15:57 No.4286429

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>>4286402
The National Socialist solution, insofar as you care to consider it, was the outright nationalization of trade unions. Often times this is considered to be a weakening of trade unions, but it was rather the contrary. By 1938, approximately 41% of the entire pan-German population was a member of the Deutsche Arbeitsfront (DAF) and a participant in its subsidiary organizations such as the KDF (responsible for subsidizing vacations, entertainment, public utilities, etc) for German workers, mandated "Councils of Trust" presided over by the administrative faculties of the DAF. I could go on, but essentially the NSDAP achieved precisely the dialectic on a firm-by-firm basis spoken of by the unions, only with the full power of government behind each and every matter of arbitration.

Chud ID:K!IbSQmZ Sat 31 Oct 2026 03:35:10 No.4286464

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bump bc every other thread is snca

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Chud ID:G0Xnwc8y Sat 31 Oct 2026 03:40:40 No.4286472

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>>4286429
I have read about it and, with all due respect, I find the corporatist system of nationalized trade unions to be contrary to labor interests. For me, a nationalized trade union and the total outlaw of trade unions appear to be virtually identical in practice. This is especially true of the German Labor Front, whose trustees were appointed by the state itself. The workbook system enabled employers to prevent workers from switching jobs. Ley himself proclaimed "Only the employer can decide. Many employers have for years had to call for the 'master in the house.' Now they are once again to be the 'master in the house."

Chud ID:K!IbSQmZ Sat 31 Oct 2026 03:54:36 No.4286507

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>>4286472
The trustees weren't appointed by the state, though I imagine this has to be the most common misconception regarding the DAF. I would also like to mention that the DAF was not particularly corporatist; the book I referenced earlier disavows corporatism as the second-rate ideal compared to the abolition of interest slavery and the legal codification of corporate restrictions such as reinvestment requirements and dividend caps. As for the trustees comment, trustees were actually voted in via anonymous elections, the arrangement of which being pursuant to the Gesetz zur Ordnung der Nationalen Arbeit (AOG), the enforcement of which being the principle task of the DAF and which, among other things, arranged for cell organizations embedded within firms for the oversight of compliance, immediate contractual negotiation; as to illustrate the independence of the Trustee organizations, only a single Nazi ever served on the Council of Trustees of IG Farben, which, prior to its liquidation by the allies, was the 4th largest company on the planet in 1939.

Chud ID:K!IbSQmZ Sat 31 Oct 2026 03:56:09 No.4286509

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>>4286507
Correction; trustees were appointed but not the end-all-be-all by any means within German firms.

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Chud ID:G0Xnwc8y Sat 31 Oct 2026 04:17:49 No.4286545

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>>4286507
>As for the trustees comment, trustees were actually voted in via anonymous elections
The Councils of Trust were voted on by workers anonymously, but the candidates were all dictated by the DAF trustee and factory owner. This voting procedure was ended in 1935 because workers kept voting no for all candidates.
>contractual negotiation
This as well as collective bargaining was outlawed.
>only a single Nazi ever served on the Council of Trustees of IG Farben
Where did you read this?

Chud ID:K!IbSQmZ Sat 31 Oct 2026 04:34:33 No.4286580

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>>>4286507 (You)
>The Councils of Trust were voted on by workers anonymously, but the candidates were all dictated by the DAF trustee and factory owner. This voting procedure was ended in 1935 because workers kept voting no for all candidates.
As far as I am aware, the only source affirming this is the writings of three Marxists (Bittcher, Kock and Milke) who were later killed for organizing illegal Bolshevik resistance cells. The boycotting argument, too, is vastly overblown. We have only one example affirming such a narrative in the Harburg-Alstadt Phoenix Plant, where of 1,394 out of a potential 2,347 voters, each candidate received an average of 950 votes yes. (https://stolpersteine-hamburg.de/en.php?MAIN_ID=7&BIO_ID=432)
>>contractual negotiation
>This as well as collective bargaining was outlawed.
If this was true, then the Council of Trustees simply would not have existed, nor would the position of Trustee of Labor. Given the Trustee of Labor was mandated by law to, in fact, oversee contractual negotiations, keep employers in check, and enforce the AOG, bargaining was merely the term utilized by tribalistic trade unions who aimed to stoke the flames of class conflict. In reality, tribalism was banned, however the fundamental dialectic was not.
>Where did you read this?
https://www.amazon.com/dp/052117838X?lv=shuf&channelId=500&plpRedirect=mhFallback

Chud ID:K!IbSQmZ Sat 31 Oct 2026 04:43:39 No.4286590

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>>4286580
https://history.state.gov/historicaldocuments/frus1934v02/d217
This source is also particularly indispensable to understanding the Councils of Trust.

Chud ID:K!IbSQmZ Sat 31 Oct 2026 05:10:49 No.4286624

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do i even necrobump this again after this

lolbert !vwL4c43ss2 ID:QkALxdx9 Sat 31 Oct 2026 05:53:22 No.4286673

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>>4286351
It's kind of amusing how the original person you were replying to here never replied back.

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